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Posts: 731 · Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 18:41

Ello guys,

please adress all your issues of game rules, game mechanics, suggestions and comments for critism and improvement for TWG games in the future here.

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Oops! Maybe better to move this to the general TWG section...

Posts: 167 · Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 18:47

i think the game was great, except tht there wern't enough people, i think we should get more people and bring in vampires! (aka me and scythe)
apart from tht no the games great

Posts: 1478 · Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 19:04

I loved the game tbh... took over my life for 2 days lol

I agree with Beef about a few more players needed.

Well organised Waray please make us another game fast Razz

Posts: 90 · Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 19:21

I thought it was great but i agree that there needs to be more players. That way, we could include the extra roles and it wouldnt end so quickly Sad

Also, the themes you were talking about (eg. star wars, resident evil etc.) could make it more interesting.

Posts: 1161 · Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 20:42

Great idea to start forum game(s) on LBTG forum. This game however was rushed into I think. But now everyone is familiar of these kinds of games and we can have disscussions about them.

Only thing i can say is that as an "experienced" forum game player i have played many forms of games, but never one where you are allowed to talk about matters conserning the game outside of the forum. Every game ive played(exept for this one) gamers were restricted to the forum threads when playing the game, no conversations/plotting/whatever outside of the forum(xfire, ts, msn, etc). PM's with questions and usage of powers to the GM was ofc allowed, but no interaction between eachother(player v player) outside the forums..
This created situation where ppl actually had to think for themselves and try to figure out who for example is a wolf. Not by being contacted on xfire by the seer saying: hey spotted you as a mason today, im the seer btw. Who is the other mason? now we can work together..
Anyways it was a whole lot more fun that way.

just my 15 seconds

Posts: 2334 · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:49

Oh next time I'll play with u guys Smile

Posts: 186 · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 18:31

i could but i dont understand Confused

becuase i am not a Shocked

lol

what is the point, i have read but maby read it more Razz

someone have a easy way to tell it ? xD if some is that and some is that .. Razz

then someone knew what everybody is Razz

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lol, dont lol at me Razz

Posts: 3638 · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 18:37

|LBTG|Cataphract wrote:

This created situation where ppl actually had to think for themselves and try to figure out who for example is a wolf. Not by being contacted on xfire by the seer saying: hey spotted you as a mason today, im the seer btw. Who is the other mason? now we can work together..
Anyways it was a whole lot more fun that way.

I do know what you mean and I guess there it does make some sense, as it's a forum game, but on the other hand the xfire contact kinda makes it fun as well. In your example of the seer, how would you know that the person isn't just bluffing? Look what happened in my case.. I was a villager and told people that on xfire also, but the fact that I posted actually made people think I was a werewolf.
I think if we only allow forum conversation that will reduce the game to merely guessing who the werewolfs are, because there is no way to communicate to other players privately. If the seer sees who one of the bad guys is, then how are they supposed to get them lynched? You can't say who you are in public as someone pointed out.
In my opinion it's the paranoia in not knowing if someone is telling you the truth and the other person not knowing if you are telling the truth that makes it fun and frustrating at the same time.
Also how can we check whether someone discusses something on xfire? And me and Trin? Should we not discuss it in real life?

You said you have played many forum games though, so why not suggest some that are more suitable to play just on the forum?

[EDIT] My suggestion: Maybe for the next time don't tell anyone what roles there are in the game. That way it's even more strange, cause you don't know what powers are out there. Might be harder to team up properly then. Wink

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Ermmmmmm Reg, how are the wolves meana kill anything then lol.

Posts: 1161 · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:42

|LBTG|Regime wrote:

|LBTG|Cataphract wrote:

This created situation where ppl actually had to think for themselves and try to figure out who for example is a wolf. Not by being contacted on xfire by the seer saying: hey spotted you as a mason today, im the seer btw. Who is the other mason? now we can work together..
Anyways it was a whole lot more fun that way.

I do know what you mean and I guess there it does make some sense, as it's a forum game, but on the other hand the xfire contact kinda makes it fun as well. In your example of the seer, how would you know that the person isn't just bluffing? Look what happened in my case.. I was a villager and told people that on xfire also, but the fact that I posted actually made people think I was a werewolf.
I think if we only allow forum conversation that will reduce the game to merely guessing who the werewolfs are, because there is no way to communicate to other players privately. If the seer sees who one of the bad guys is, then how are they supposed to get them lynched? You can't say who you are in public as someone pointed out.
In my opinion it's the paranoia in not knowing if someone is telling you the truth and the other person not knowing if you are telling the truth that makes it fun and frustrating at the same time.
Also how can we check whether someone discusses something on xfire? And me and Trin? Should we not discuss it in real life?

You said you have played many forum games though, so why not suggest some that are more suitable to play just on the forum?

[EDIT] My suggestion: Maybe for the next time don't tell anyone what roles there are in the game. That way it's even more strange, cause you don't know what powers are out there. Might be harder to team up properly then. Wink

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About the seer thing, then its up to the seer to make a choice.. Either to make known to everyone that he/she is the seer(post it in the forums) or use his/hers wits and convince ppl(through the forum) who is the werewolf.

And about checking ppl if they are talking about it privately or not. I just thought since most of the ppl playing this game is LBTG members, I assumed that if we made it a rule of the game not to talk about the game privately we could trust one and another not to do so.. But maybe I was wrong in believing so?

[EDIT]Ok after spending some time on castledoom.com I realise that the posting between ppl is somewhat a concept of the game in TWG.. And that it's supposed to be that hard for the werewolves to win, make sense i guess. But they only use the forum PM's, dunno if it'll make a difference but could we try that on the next TWG game? Forum PM's only?[/EDIT]

Posts: 1019 · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 14:38

wats the difference...forum pm's wud contain the same content as wud be said on xfire but slower to give/receives answers...if your ok with forum pm's then xfire shud be no problem either ...

Posts: 731 · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 21:12

*ahum*

Coming from a TWG 'vet' Razz

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Pm-ing through the forum in TWG is -very common-. Reason I 'allowed' the use of xfire & teamspeak is because I think it's a very nice addition. The Seer role is the prime example of a role that relies on pm. Why should a Seer not try to contact the masons if he has seen them? This game is about setting up voting blocks and coordination. Beef and Cata had run into three aspects which were terribly unlucky.

Do note since this is the first game run, I know that this game can't be run perfectly, but see this as some positive critism

1. Target selection. You've got to know who to get rid of.

Targeting Scythe was horrible. Sure it was mighty tough luck to bump into Geert as GA, but trying to kill off Beefy's RL friend (which everyone knows) would be a bad idea. I think Beef should have used Scythe as a shield to form a block of people on the one side so that the group of villagers would have split.

I personally wouldn't have killed Coper as well, same as the Scythe story above.

Targeting Trin was also a bad move. Sure, you would have had to get rid of her. But her crazy activity should have been spotted much earlier.

2. Good active opponents.

Although for a first game, the villagers were brilliant. I mean brilliant. Geert used great logic to think who is who and who to protect. Trin and Jay were active and well playing, eliminating potential threats very quickly.
Trin posed as the Seer towards players and even tricked people in confirming their role. -BRILLIANT-. Masons and GA: You've played this first game better then by the book ^^

3. No luck

Geert, the GA was almost lynched Day 1. He wasn't, which made the game look very different from what it could be. 2 protects is also very rare to face. Beef paniced the first day. You know what I mean Wink

Also, I think you are taking it too heavy. Sure, TWG might be a bit more interesting if every post is an argumentation, but unlike at forums designed solely for TWG you already (for the most part) have a memberbase with personalities and relations.
Being a wolf is an art. I said it before and I'll say it again: You've gotta be noticed, you gotta participate but you -can't- be remembered. Use the personality you have to your advantage. If everybody knows you as a person that doesn't say much, then don't write down essays in the game. If you are close to person x, that means you can much easier convince him.

This is a game of betrayal and deceit, you're supposed to -lie- and that's what makes it fun. Use your friends to form blocks while you hide behind them, let others do the talking and the arguing and kill them off one by one.

For anyone wondering, I have no trouble at all sacrificing my friends in games like this. You're supposed to ^^

Posts: 167 · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 21:26

Waray wrote:

I think Beef should have used Scythe as a shield to form a block of people on the one side so that the group of villagers would have split.

I personally wouldn't have killed Coper as well, same as the Scythe story above.

I dont understand how you can do this...
And what do you mean by

Waray wrote:

But her crazy activity should have been spotted much earlier.

other than tht, GREAT tips Very Happy

Posts: 1335 · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 21:28

I think he means make sure he thinks you are a simple villi because you are already friendly so he would (hopefully Razz

) agree with you and get others to think the same, and not to try and kill him first night ^^

Posts: 167 · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 21:30

lol oh right i get it.. but what about the 'trins crazy activity' everybody was very active, so theres no way to pick tht out...