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Posts: 1019 · Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:00

Anybody kno of any good softeware available for creating websites?

Posts: 1359 · Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:27

Dreamweaver ftw!
Notepad ftw!

Frontpage ftl!

G33RT

Posts: 2334 · Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:21

What he said Razz

Posts: 1307 · Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:50

One problem I seem to remember with Frontpage is that it would replace your code in certain places (for example - not sure if it was this - but if you tried to create a form) with it's own code and therefore screw things up that you wouldn't necessarily realise at first. But that was a while ago Smile

But I would certainly recommend Dreamweaver - very smooth and not overly hard to get into. And yes - notepad is great - if you know html coding by memory.

Posts: 3638 · Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:03

Vim
Dreamweaver is ok, but it can give you 'sloppy' code.. Personally I find it best to start from scratch and use vim (or notepad if you must.) That way you know exactly what is going on in your code. Smile

Posts: 1359 · Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:26

It's always important to know what's happing.
Dreamweaver can be sloppy, but if you use the half code half "see what you get" tile it's more then fine.
Atleast that is my opinion. Very Happy

G33RT

Posts: 3638 · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:02

Yea - True..

But there are more things to consider..

- I find code generated by dreamweaver not compliant with the W3C standards. Our site is compliant as you can see here. (Yea.. I know.. It's geekified, but hey.. If you do something, why not do it properly? Wink

)

- Dreamweaver generally fails you when you want to write dynamic content, like PHP or ASP. For instanse php I code directly on the server with vim. Saves me having to... save -> copy -> bring up the ftp screen -> paste -> click yes to overwrite -> etc. etc.
With vim I just :w! (write) and refresh my browser. Saves a lot of time.

- Writing code from scratch may take longer in the beginning, but in the long run it will give you a better understanding of code. It might actually be quicker to write it manually, when you get good at it.

But hey.. To each his/her own. Smile

Posts: 1359 · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:13

Guess VIM is for the more professional webbie builders then.
And dreamweaver more the hobbyist web builder Very Happy

G33RT

Posts: 2334 · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 16:26

Yup, creating or embedding PHP in dreamweaver is kinda painfull.
Used to work with it, and it is great for WYSIWYG html and image management. I cant create raw code tho, Im not familiar with html lol.

Posts: 1307 · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 18:10

I'm trying to sort out a spare pc here at home so I can install a webserver on it so I can play around with things like apache, mysql and php - hopefully it'll help improve my skills for any future jobs (fingers crossed on the current one I had an interview for a month or so ago...). But I thought I'd look for a couple of books to help try and learn things like web design coding and the php/mysql coding for website design (I just hope I can learn enough to start playing with code for my hopefull future site), and I came up with 3, one of which is for working with linux so I won't list that one. But here is the titles of the other 2 - maybe they can help with learning about the coding Smile

Learning Web Design (O'Rielly publisher) - by Jennifer Niederst
Build Your Own Database Driven Website using PHP & MYSQL (Sitepoint) - by Kevin Yank

The first one is pretty good, even for a noob coder like me. Each chapter is clear and pretty easy to follow, taking you a bit further and making you learn just enough more on each chapter as you read through it. The PHP/MYSQL one I've only just glanced through but I'm quite looking forward to reading it properly and then putting things to practice here on the space pc/webserver.

Posts: 946 · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 18:59

If you're setting up a server it's probably best to make it a linux one. They tend to run much smoother and aren't as hardware intensive if you're using an old wreck of a computer. I know XHTML, CSS and a bit of JS and PHP but I sorta gave up on web design for a while. I might start doing a bit of freelance work sometime soon. Btw, I prefer notepad ++ for html editing cos its got good syntax highlighting and a nice gui.

Posts: 1307 · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 19:02

Ooh Wraithie - might have to chat to you sometime then Smile

Posts: 3638 · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 19:03

Well I wouldn't say vim is a professional tool for building sites.. lol.. It's just a standard linux editor. It's nice once you get used to it though. Smile

Also, I find the best way to learn a certain code language is just by picking a goal and start writing. You will get better along the way. Books don't really work for me personally. But that's just me..

Posts: 1307 · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 19:06

Well, the books have been a good guide so far as they've started to make me look for obvious mistakes and not to try and overdo things and get ahead of myself. But yep - setting a goal is a good way to go.

Posts: 2334 · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 19:09

My C++ book pwns tho Smile

It's the only one that doesnt start with a friggin hello world (burn hello world burn Evil or Very Mad

) program